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Just bought these Shock Shaft Pliers

Post by gdl357 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:03 pm

I finally gave up on using the wrong tools for building my shocks after I scratched my last shaft yesterday.

Finally!

http://rogueelementcomponents.com/Tools.htm
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Post by somebody » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:26 pm

brilliant lol nice find they look sweet, i would usually take a ruybber glove and wrap the finger on tight and squeeze, it was a pita.

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Post by gdl357 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:48 pm

Whats nice is that you can do turnbuckles with it too.

I found Integy ones too, but after my last fit with their junk, I made an aoth never to buy their products again.
[b][size=75]-Picco.28 P3/51007-OS.30VG/MC59
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Post by sicj » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:48 pm

I use a pair of $5 wire stripper/crimpers and use the yellow hole crimper part. Been doing this for years and works EXACTLY like the $30 "shock shaft tool"
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Post by gdl357 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:50 pm

sicj wrote:I use a pair of $5 wire stripper/crimpers and use the yellow hole crimper part. Been doing this for years and works EXACTLY like the $30 "shock shaft tool"


How can that be. Your are holding it with a steel tool?
[b][size=75]-Picco.28 P3/51007-OS.30VG/MC59
-XSS diffs/cases
-Fantom Pipe
-Vertigo alu skid plate,tank guard,brake
-Big Joe/23mm Cheyenne Welds
-JR/Futaba digital servos
-Ofna linkage,alu servo arms,fail safe
-Cam bearings[/size][/b]

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Post by sicj » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:19 pm

yeah... It has nothing to do with the material of the tool. It's the fact that is pinches the shaft with a small footprint which grabs it easier.
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Post by gdl357 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:24 pm

It has everythink to do with the tool!

The smaller the footprint the more pressure your putting in the same spot. Steel pliers scratch the shafts.

I wonder why Aluminum ones of the same thickness don't...

Anyways, you don't have a complete RC toolbox without a set of aluminum pliers.

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-Fantom Pipe
-Vertigo alu skid plate,tank guard,brake
-Big Joe/23mm Cheyenne Welds
-JR/Futaba digital servos
-Ofna linkage,alu servo arms,fail safe
-Cam bearings[/size][/b]

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Post by savage-rocks » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:13 am

Cheaper alternatives
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXD572&P=7

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXKTR1&P=7

I just use a pair of old wire cutters and grip the spot just above the threads (theirs a little area after the threads and before the shaft) never had a issue yet. Waste of $30 unless you have money to waste.
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Post by gdl357 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:38 am

savage-rocks wrote:Cheaper alternatives
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXD572&P=7

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXKTR1&P=7

I just use a pair of old wire cutters and grip the spot just above the threads (theirs a little area after the threads and before the shaft) never had a issue yet. Waste of $30 unless you have money to waste.


In my feild of work, your a person that's called a "butch jobber"

If that would be the case people would use an exacto knife to strip wire as a wire stripper is much more expensive than an exacto blade. Better yet use a waterbottle to fill you tank up because it's way cheaper than a fuel bottle.

I say the correct tool is never a waste of money! It ends up saving you time and pays for itself off.

I thought I share a great product with you all, but if it becomes like this all the time, I will keep them to myself.

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-Vertigo alu skid plate,tank guard,brake
-Big Joe/23mm Cheyenne Welds
-JR/Futaba digital servos
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Post by pitbull2c » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:58 am

Dude chill..some people are using different things long before these were made..so everyone its own..is that so hard to understand..some of us don't have the 30$ laying around to buy something we(i) don't need..

Why would you not post that info here..its great tool for anyone thats in need for one..i myself will use the method i used before..

Simple as that..why is everybody so short these days..thats why i don't come here as much as i used too..thats not only because i have no sav anymore..also because peoples reactions..most of the time childish reactions!

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Post by gdl357 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:48 am

Next time I will add " Caution - This tool/part is for people that have money to spare!"

Like that I will avoid all the cheepies.

For me $30.00 is a Pizza, fry and 2 Cokes and tip. Joke nowadays

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-Vertigo alu skid plate,tank guard,brake
-Big Joe/23mm Cheyenne Welds
-JR/Futaba digital servos
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Post by martijn25 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:51 am

Tamiya sells special anti scratch tools..

will try and get some links...

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Post by gzus11 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:12 am

the material does make a difference, a soft tool will not damage a hard material being clamped, i dont think alu pliers could be used for any other purpose.
but more important in the case of scratching a shock shaft are the sharp edges on the pliers, remove any sharp edge on the clamp much less damage will be caused to the material surface. tool as in the wire crimper

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Post by zflyzone » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:27 pm

I place a small piece of double sided servo tape on each end of the channellock's teeth... works great! all is needed.
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Post by Natedog » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:52 pm

gdl357 wrote:I finally gave up on using the wrong tools for building my shocks after I scratched my last shaft yesterday.

Finally!

http://rogueelementcomponents.com/Tools.htm


Those are very nice, everything that dude makes is top notch!!!

pitbull2c wrote:....thats not only because i have no sav anymore...


Sorry to hear you don't have your Savage anymore!
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Post by scrogg » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:05 am

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Post by scrogg » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:05 am

savage-rocks wrote:Cheaper alternatives
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXD572&P=7

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXKTR1&P=7

I just use a pair of old wire cutters and grip the spot just above the threads (theirs a little area after the threads and before the shaft) never had a issue yet. Waste of $30 unless you have money to waste.

After reading this post I tried the wire cutters out while installing limiters in my shocks. Works great, they did not slip one bit.
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Post by savage-rocks » Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:24 am

Glad to hear it. Been in this hobby 20 some years so I have tried things and with 11 cars now if a method works with what I have already then thats money saved and Id rather have the pizza!
Nothing butch about it, its just another method that works for some of us that cant run out and buy the bling bling tools.
btw that duratrax piece has been around for some time so these kind of tools arent new.
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Post by Natedog » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:04 am

gzus11 wrote:the material does make a difference, a soft tool will not damage a hard material being clamped, i dont think alu pliers could be used for any other purpose.
but more important in the case of scratching a shock shaft are the sharp edges on the pliers, remove any sharp edge on the clamp much less damage will be caused to the material surface. tool as in the wire crimper


That's correct. I've been using a heavy duty Craftsman Professional Series long set of needle nose pliers and they work great but cost about the same as the Rogue Elements pliers...but I use em on my 1:1 truck too. I always try to hold the shaft as close to the threads as possible just in case...the last bit of shock shaft often never touches the seals because the shock body and the lower spring retainer limit it.

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Ergonomic dual molded cushion-grip handles designed to resist oil, grease, gasoline, brake fluid and skydroll. Heat treated cutting edges. Clear electrostatic coating helps resist corrosion. Clear electrostatic coating helps resist corrosion. Three special nose designs cover a variety of gripping applications. Long necks and thin profile provide greater reach and easier access to tight spaces. Heat-treated alloy alloy steel construction for maximum strength and durability.
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Post by pitbull2c » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:58 am

Natedog wrote:
pitbull2c wrote:....thats not only because i have no sav anymore...


Sorry to hear you don't have your Savage anymore!


No sweat Nate..hehe still having fun with the lst m8..

If time is right i'll hit you up for some screws.. :P
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