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LLkoolskillet Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: Is it worth the hassle |
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Just wondering if it would be worth while to convert one flux to a twin motor truck?
I like dynamites thread but I'm just wondering if it would be practicle. He's doing 8s I would do 12s... 6s X 2
It would still retain the center diff. I honestly believe it would have to. There are quite a few 8s+ builds but there isn't enough feedback on wether or not they were worth the time building.
My biggest fear is that if I went with either 8s or 12s would the diff pinions be able to handle the power.
As of right now I have everything I need to do it except another set of 3s batteries.
Basically I would make a mount out of 1/4" aluminum and mount the motors low unlike the kershaw mount which mounts high in the truck. It would use modified CEN CVDs. But the truck would be as it sits currently.
Just shootin the idea out there. Lookin for some feedback |
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messiah1 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| I have a question because it doesn't make sense to me. How does putting two motors on something make it faster? Not trying to be a *censored* I'm just trying to understand how it works. |
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rumpity_z28 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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Sounds like a cool project to me and hey if ya have the money why not . I would definately say you have to do some thing with the whole drive line though. Bigger diff axles yokes  |
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LLkoolskillet Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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It's not about speed it's about power.
The only reason why I'm considering it is it would be cool |
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lsvtieg Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| Too bad you can't use baja diffs, or can you with the right mods? |
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LLkoolskillet Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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To this day I'm still convinced that you can use Baja axles and hubs.
I have a full machine shop here at work. I can just mill some new diff cups that fit Baja axles and have the standard savage size shaft to fit in the BP diff. Yes I can make this but I dont have the money to buy the Baja axles and stuff.
For now I'll stick with modified cen cvds |
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messiah1 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| Based on your previous builds, I'm excited to follow this if you do decide to go forward. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| LLkoolskillet wrote (View Post): | To this day I'm still convinced that you can use Baja axles and hubs.
I have a full machine shop here at work. I can just mill some new diff cups that fit Baja axles and have the standard savage size shaft to fit in the BP diff. Yes I can make this but I dont have the money to buy the Baja axles and stuff.
For now I'll stick with modified cen cvds |
im 99% sure I've got a set of stock Baja SS Bones, diff cups & axles ( a buddy robbed my box of extra parts recently) if you decide to move forward, I'm sure we could work out a reasonable price. |
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Hakka Savage Superstar

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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Is there anything you WONT try?  |
Savage X - LRP .32 Spec 2, Goliath Tyres, Integy 51t Spur, Integy 20t CB, Full LED, Integy Braces, Yellow Alloy Shox, Skullz Shock Sox, Ansmann Racing Exhaust, Tonys Bolts |
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dragonbat13 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| I know this sounds way out in left field and crazy, but what about having one motor per axle? I am sure that the speed control could somehow be made to work. |
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LLkoolskillet Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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Well I'm going to think about this for the next day or two.
It certainly would be a sick build |
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bifftit Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| messiah1 wrote (View Post): | | I have a question because it doesn't make sense to me. How does putting two motors on something make it faster? Not trying to be a *censored* I'm just trying to understand how it works. |
its the "COOL" factor i be guessin |
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Squid Site Admin

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| messiah1 wrote (View Post): | | I have a question because it doesn't make sense to me. How does putting two motors on something make it faster? Not trying to be a *censored* I'm just trying to understand how it works. |
More motors ups the torque, and lets you gear higher. This is where the extra speed will come from. |
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Dcdoode7 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| Hakka wrote (View Post): | Is there anything you WONT try? |
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xtremesavage Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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It would be cool,,
But what would you want to do,,just straight up speed?
You would probably need a chase vehicle to keep up,, it would be out range to quickly.
or maybe a round track? What gearing? Where do you put 2 extra 3s lipos?
You got some cool stuff to work out,,
I feel like youve allready decided to try this,,stop teasing us,,where is the build thread? |
Share knowlegde,,,Dont brag!! |
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messiah1 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| dragonbat13 wrote (View Post): | | I know this sounds way out in left field and crazy, but what about having one motor per axle? I am sure that the speed control could somehow be made to work. |
It could work. Lot's of crawler guys use two motors, 1 per axle, and a single esc. Although, most are now using two esc's as it's easier. |
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messiah1 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| Squid wrote (View Post): | | messiah1 wrote (View Post): | | I have a question because it doesn't make sense to me. How does putting two motors on something make it faster? Not trying to be a *censored* I'm just trying to understand how it works. |
More motors ups the torque, and lets you gear higher. This is where the extra speed will come from. |
Ok, I think I see now. Thanks. |
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LLkoolskillet Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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Haha I've started building it in my head. I look at both of my Flux's and wonder all the time. Dynamite has a killer thread. So I figured I would try too. But venturing into twin motor territory has so many unknowns. It certainly would be fast that's for sure. But my thought behind it is being able to do a double or triple backflip standing still or the same but at 40mph.
Right now my cd flux can do everything the stock HP can do but without breaking things. It truly is one tough truck. So based off that why not add more power? If I wanted to go for speed, I would try and break 80mph. So far the fastest recorded flux is knocking at 80mphs door at 79mph. Sure would be cool to have both the fastest nitro and flux in the world hehe.
An idea just popped into my head and that is taking the two right side TVPs I have from TCS and making a new chassis with them. It would give me the clearance on both sides to fit two motors. But the issue is the mount holes in the TVPs are all counter bored so the left side would be tricky.
Just so many ideas running thru my head right now.
If it was a 1/5 scale chassis I could fit the 4 3s batteries |
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messiah1 Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| What motors would you use? Something you have on hand already or new? Would using two motors that are in the 5b flux series work out for that insane speed/torque you're looking for? I know money would be an issue there, plus you'd probably need to upgrade some drivetrain items...just thoughts. That would def. be a fast truck though. |
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LLkoolskillet Savage Extraordinaire

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Is it worth the hassle |
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| Flux torque 2200kv motors and 1 blur esc and 1 MMM esc haha. Yep its what I have on hand |
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