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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:12 am Post subject: Re: A little philosophy anyone? Reply with quote

Hmm that almost makes sense whipnet.

However, I'm not sure I would agree that your brain is filing anything 'incorrectly' when experiencing deja vu, it's too powerful to pass it off as an accident...

My opinion would be that it has something to do with our Dreams. and I think dreams have a lot more to do with things than we know. If there ever was some kind of 'parallel universe' , I would guess that the dream world is tied in to it somehow.  

Haha I sound crazy. I would definitely use your version on the books lol.

Whatever it is, it's a cool but kind of creepy feeling.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: A little philosophy anyone? Reply with quote

SYAWEDIS,

Your idea of our dreams being tied into a parralell universe is something I have pondered for a while. And as crazy as it sounds...why not?
Im unsure really how to explain it further than straight forward. But for instance, Have you ever had a dream when you were a kid, and one day many years later something along those lines happpened?

I had a bad dream as a child that I was abducted in a black jeep. I managed to kick the bad guys in the nutz and get out.
When I was 16 I found myself in a black jeep with some aquantances I did not neccesarilly like. Me and one fellow had some words, I remember booting him with my foot and making a run for a friends house down the road. Now what say do you make of that? Coincidence? Or a parrallell universe of a future me sending young Dodge a warning of things to come.....

It does all sound crazy, but thats the fun part.



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SYAWEDIS,

Your idea of our dreams being tied into a parralell universe is something I have pondered for a while. And as crazy as it sounds...why not?
Im unsure really how to explain it further than straight forward. But for instance, Have you ever had a dream when you were a kid, and one day many years later something along those lines happpened?

I had a bad dream as a child that I was abducted in a black jeep. I managed to kick the bad guys in the nutz and get out.
When I was 16 I found myself in a black jeep with some aquantances I did not neccesarilly like. Me and one fellow had some words, I remember booting him with my foot and making a run for a friends house down the road. Now what say do you make of that? Coincidence? Or a parrallell universe of a future me sending young Dodge a warning of things to come.....

It does all sound crazy, but thats the fun part.


Thats crazy dodge glad to hear you got out alright. I find that most of my dreams are about things that wieght heavy on my mind during the day. Like if something that happened at work really got to me or was important I'll have a dream about it but distorted a little...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: A little philosophy anyone? Reply with quote

See, And I find I never have dreams of the days events nor past. More over my dreams are completly distorded to the point where I recognise(sp?) nobody in them. Or I recognise everybody in them but they are not who they are supposed to be.



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i like the dreams where i'm a SUPERHERO.

then there was the dream where i was walking to work completely naked, but when i realized that i was cold, i knew something was odd. Laughing


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dodgedude it's extra creepy reading your messages because that's almost the same as my own experiences... I never have dreams about current or past events, they are rather fragmented or distorted, but very much defined if that makes sense. I can only remember them until I try remembering the details, then it all fades away.

I had a similar deja vu moment. Mine wasn't really negative though, more of a random dream I had when I was a kid, about some lady dancing in a dress in some abandoned cole mine or something..many years later I see the exact same thing on TV. what it meant, if anything, I dunno. I've also had a couple deja vu moments where it feels like I've already had a certain conversation I'm having with someone.

Rotomaster - you make a good point when you say "We cannot affirm that "choice" is fictitious, if this were a fact, prisons would be empty as courts would not be able to hold criminals culpable of their crimes, as their actions would be but pre-determined implications as a result of the determining factors that are the consecutive events in lead up to the event in question." as this would certainly turn society upside down. I can certainly understand that it could never be accepted by society that things have already happened or are pre-determined. You are right that Society is not intended to deal with certain things. Take 2012 for example. But that's a whole nother subject.  

I can't help but disagree with you when you say "Although we cannot actually affirm that it is infinite, this is one of the most perplexing concepts that one can try to grasp. The way in which we experience things in our day to day lives only assure and confirm to us of the concept of finiteness, in other words all that we see is finite, walking down the street everything you can see has an end to it, the length of a car, the singing of birds, even the street itself has an end. From the time we are born all these things that we experience only assure us and hardwire into our brains that things always have an ending, all of this makes it very hard for us to actually conceptualize of never ending space." Take the horizon for example, it does not end. If you went out in search of the "end of the horizon" you will never reach it. Every step you take, it takes as well. It moves when you move. One could search their entire lifetime in search of the "end of the horizon" and never find it. They would no doubt claim it's "infinite" but it is obviously not.

Everything we know about time and space is superficial. Like you said roto, our 'measurement' of time is ficticious. We have created time according to our scale. Take a snail for example. It could spend an entire lifetime to travel 100km where as a human would take x amount of hours. Imagine that our universe is merely a small spec of dust inside of another universe, inside of another inside of another. Now take someone in one of those 'other universes' and get them to travel 100km. TO US, they would have traveled more than an "inifinite" or uncomprehending distance,  and to them it would only take x hours.

I don't think it's too crazy to think there are more than 3 dimensions.. I think it ties somewhere into the "parallel universe" subject. I've also always thought dreams are in a dimension of their own. But you're definitely right when you say don't put too much thought into it, haha.


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According to "Scientific America" there are at least 12 dimensions. We can not go between then because our sub atomis structure would not be stable. You would be atomized. Again this is a breif and poor summary of the articel. If your interested in this stuff, get the mag.



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I like that mag. They need to have their own channel. Then discovery channel, history and Scientific America could fight to the death for my utmost attention.  Laughing



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: Re: A little philosophy anyone? Reply with quote

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I can certainly understand that it could never be accepted by society that things have already happened or are pre-determined. You are right that Society is not intended to deal with certain things. Take 2012 for example.


What about 2012? do you think the Earth is going to explode?

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Take the horizon for example, it does not end. If you went out in search of the "end of the horizon" you will never reach it. Every step you take, it takes as well. It moves when you move. One could search their entire lifetime in search of the "end of the horizon" and never find it. They would no doubt claim it's "infinite" but it is obviously not.


The horizon does not "end" because the horizon does not exist as what we perceive it to be. The horizon cannot possibly end as of course not only does it not have an "end" but it also does not even have a start. What we perceive as the horizon, i.e that long "line" that we call horizon is not actually a line or an edge but it is our eye's limitation to being able to see a surface that cannot be accessed by our field of vision, due to it being obscured by the convex curvature of the Earth's surface. Spheres are the most symmetrically perfect shapes possible, nothing can possibly be more symmetrical as they have no edges nor multiple faces/sides to have differentiating symmetries within. Look at a ball or any sphere and your eyes will see an edge that wraps all the way around, this of course is an illusion as there are obviously no edges within a sphere. However, if the Earth was flat or square (or for that matter any shape other than a sphere) you would indeed be able to "reach" the end of the horizon that you see. Long story short, one cannot possibly "reach" the horizon as it is only an illusion (you cannot reach what is not there).

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Not everything. There is much about time and space that we do indeed know as underlying facts of reality, and this information is obtained by us through the universal language of mathematics (which is the same language that governs the entire laws of the universe). General Relativity does an outstanding job of describing space and time, i.e "Spacetime".

All of what I have spoken with regards to time in this thread is (as crazy as it might sound) not philosophy but actual fact of the phenomenon of time as described by Einstein's General Relativity. If you have read my posts regarding time you would no doubt had thought that much of what I said sounds totally out of line with what WE perceive as reality, for example "past" "present" and "future" all being an illusion. What this tells us is that underlaying "reality" is actually far from what our senses would have us believe of it. What you think of reality is exactly and only that, what you THINK.
You would be correct in saying that what we PERCEIVE of time and space is superficial.

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Do you mean you don't think it's difficult? There are 11 dimensions including that of time, but what I said was that it is difficult to conceptualize of any more than our accessible 3 spatial dimensions, i.e it is hard to "see" or form a mental image of any more dimensions than the three already accessible to us.
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What do you mean "the fluke of conscienceness leading to spirituality"? do you mean the fluke of consciousness as in the existence of consciousness? or the fluke that consciousness led to spirituality?

When we were created we were never intended to have these thoughts in our heads, only to serve as a slave race for the Annunaki,
they had no plans in the start for us to think individually. But with time we proved to be VERY enlightened possibly even more so than our creators, that sparked some ill feelings toward our race, but it also made some of the Annunaki want to aid us and see how far we could go though their compasion.
I could go on and on, but in a nut shell, you have all heard of the "greys" our visitors from other worlds right? That is what the Annunaki was after when they created us. They "greys" are full of life but, have NO conscience. They are what was intended to be created, but no, we had to have that pattern of neurons fire in such a way that it led us here today, typing on the R/C forums about some twisted views.
These are some of the truths the man cannot handle.
And when our creators left us here, it shocked us deeply, so deep that it is embeded in or DNA today and we will never get over these past-shocks, instead we wander the earth lost, trying to come up with theorys to explain it all, but still be able to control the masses through fear of a bad place to spend eternity if you don't comply.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: A little philosophy anyone? Reply with quote

day to day life mostly goes along with "standart" thinking, but thats not all there is.
we can (and should, imo) expand our thinking and conciousness beyond those matters.


a short philosophy, which i like:

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duality: good/bad, strong/weak, nice/ugly, all these are things that depend on each other.
you can not separate them, but you can stretch wast distances between them, which can be filled with reasoning of all kind.
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and then you have one more factor which is the unexplainable.
you can perceive it in a way, but not explain it. a thing/thought/perception (you name it...lol), with no boundaries or certain structure.

these three (or two, if you count the dualities as one) things together are dynamic in a way, that allows existence without stagnation.


what do you think?
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I don't think the world will "explode" in 2012. However mother nature will be the most temperamental she's been in 25,000 years, most likely setting off a chain of natural disasters across the globe. There is a very important alignment happening on december 21, 2012 and it only happens every 25,000 years. I think it's truely amazing that it's happening in our lifetime, considering how short our lifetime is compared to the cycle. What will happen nobody knows for sure. I don't think it's a complete annihilation, but will be very messy....  time will tell.


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aw man, this is at leat the third "end of the world" which "wil happen" in my lifetime.
when i had my first, as a kid, i was exited but now it's like ufo's to me: whatever...

i would be more interested in dreams.
to me dreams are like an alternate reality, possibly similar to what i can imagine life after death to be, if there is anything like that.
i experimented with dream conciousness, which mean you can be in a similar state of mind like being awake when dreaming.
and it is actualy not so hard to do, it took me about three month to get into it.
i admit i'm not constantly at it, so my dreaming is more or less back to "normal" at the moment, but it can definately be done.
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Ah, and the alignment is the center of our galaxy, the sun, and the earth. The sun will eclipse (transit) the galactic center from the earth's perspective.
This in conjunction with a solar cycle peak (predicted by the Mayan calander), will not be the end-all that most fear, but a sort of reset of our internal link with the universe and all that is in it.
Kinda like when the power goes out for a second and you gotta reset all the clocks, this is gonna happen to our conscienceness, and it to will need to be reset Laughing
With this new opportunity to set the world "right" be fully taken adavantage of? Or will we just let it pass and do the easy thing and just fall back into our LAZY ways?
I trully fear that will will miss this opportunity to advance to the "next level" of conscienceness, and carry on in our old failing ways,to live out the rest of our existance on this planet, with the days numbered, as we cannot sustain this way of life that we have all gotten so accustomed to.
We need a GLOBAL "tea party"!!!! To TELL the enightened ones that we will no longer compliy with these horrific ways!!!
Only then do we stand a fighting chance.
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Just curious, is this like scientology? or just something similar to it? What I mean is, is this an actual established "religion"? or is it your own speculative theory?

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They "greys" are full of life but, have NO conscience.


Interesting, this would imply that they have no emotions nor the ability of though process, although the notion of no though process in a conscious and intelligent being seems rather unrealistic.

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And when our creators left us here, it shocked us deeply, so deep that it is embeded in or DNA today and we will never get over these past-shocks,


What is this "it" that is embedded in our DNA?


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duality: good/bad, strong/weak, nice/ugly, all these are things that depend on each other.
you can not separate them, but you can stretch wast distances between them, which can be filled with reasoning of all kind.


Correct.

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and then you have one more factor which is the unexplainable.
you can perceive it in a way, but not explain it. a thing/thought/perception (you name it...lol), with no boundaries or certain structure.


I do not understand what this means, at all.

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these three (or two, if you count the dualities as one) things together are dynamic in a way, that allows existence without stagnation.


Hmm, dynamic in what way exactly? And a dynamic system does indeed imply existence without stagnation, but I fail to see how duality and the other "factor" which is "unexplainable" have to do with allowing the consequent implication of existence without stagnation. Maybe you can further explain?


What you think of reality is exactly and only that, what you think.
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i would be more interested in dreams.


Definitely. It is an interesting subject, indeed.

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i experimented with dream conciousness, which mean you can be in a similar state of mind like being awake when dreaming.
and it is actualy not so hard to do, it took me about three month to get into it.
i admit i'm not constantly at it, so my dreaming is more or less back to "normal" at the moment, but it can definately be done.


Are you talking about what is commonly referred to as "lucid dreaming"?


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It is not scientology, it is the truth, these things were brought to my attention by a fellow named Zachariah Sitchin (a Jewish anthropoligist). These stories are for the ancient Summarian texts and 'his' interpretation of them. These storys were wrote in stone in the beggining, before the 'Illumitati' siezed control of us, before there was religion to scare us, before there was a 'need' to control mankind. This has not been altered and rewritten, like the bible and other religious texts, to control us through fear of the afterlife. These texts speak of many common events in history, such as the great flood, destruction of the Tower of Babel, giants among us, however they make a lot more sense in my own mind, not so much of a 'fariy tale' to make sure we 'do good" or else we are condemned to eternal suffering. I believe that some of the most UNTRUSTWORTHY people on the planet are the leaders of the church, since they 'must' know the real truth and they are preaching lies for monitary gains through fear.
It is the way it was written before corruption, even before the need to corrupt, and being chisled in stone it was not altered, or handed down in unwritten stories that change with every generation. These are the first words about 'the begining' and the should not be ignored as there is probably some truth to it, anybody who is more interested in this topic should PM me as this not really a good topic for the R/C forums, I am not a preacher. But there is a very interesting story to be told.
I appologize for any offence to christians, as you can only know what you are taught, and this has been hidden from us all.


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Ah, and the alignment is the center of our galaxy, the sun, and the earth. The sun will eclipse (transit) the galactic center from the earth's perspective.
This in conjunction with a solar cycle peak (predicted by the Mayan calander), will not be the end-all that most fear, but a sort of reset of our internal link with the universe and all that is in it.
Kinda like when the power goes out for a second and you gotta reset all the clocks, this is gonna happen to our conscienceness, and it to will need to be reset Laughing
With this new opportunity to set the world "right" be fully taken adavantage of? Or will we just let it pass and do the easy thing and just fall back into our LAZY ways?
I trully fear that will will miss this opportunity to advance to the "next level" of conscienceness, and carry on in our old failing ways,to live out the rest of our existance on this planet, with the days numbered, as we cannot sustain this way of life that we have all gotten so accustomed to.
We need a GLOBAL "tea party"!!!! To TELL the enightened ones that we will no longer compliy with these horrific ways!!!
Only then do we stand a fighting chance.
A global brotherhood of sorts, one where you CAN TRUST your niebour, not fear of some lazy *censored* taking what you have worked so hard to achive. No gun packing hip gangsa wonna be's allowed, only Humanity.


Man you have some really cool points of view.

I don't know what you mean by saying our consciousness will be "reset", like as if our memories wil be whiped out or something? I imagine it's going to be more of a physical matter. I don't think of it as a "end of all" but I do agree it's a sort of (and very important) "reset" for mother earth, which will wipe out a serious number of living things. unfortunately I don't think Corruption, Religion or Government will ever disappear until humanity is completely extinct. They are like a disease without a cure because they are the ones who created the disease. The funny thing is the government probably already knows what's going to happen in 2012 and they've taken the necessary precautions to preserve themselves and the "control" they have on mankind.

I think all these fake "Armageddon" scenarios have been created to discredit the possibility of disaster in 2012. So people simply think "I've already lived through a few phony scares, it's not going to happen".

Fact of the matter is, this is a very special alignment that only happens everything 25,000 (twenty five thousand) years.

I would prefer to be living on a mountain somewhere when it goes down.


Power, you say RC Forum maybe isn't the best place to talk about this stuff, but from what I've read there are some really great minds here.


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