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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

Its been a really long time since I had to get a new clutch and I'm not sure what's good to get.  Are the Dynamite Max Life aluminum clutch shoes any good?  

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

The best shoe on the market for as savage IMO i just run 1 x 1.0 spring and 2 x 1.1 springs in my race set up using mugen springs


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

That's what I run, I differ from Sam as I run 3 mugen 1.0 springs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

Its a good think I asked first on here because I was going to get Nova aluminum clutch shoes but the cost of shipping was more than the cost of the clutch shoes themselves!  So are these actually better than the Werks 4 shoe?  I bought one of those a long time ago and it has worked fine for me but they're too expensive to get for my other motors.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

I never liked the werks 4 shoe set up, gave it to one of the buggy guys and I think he threw it out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

the HPI composite ones are what I use. ive tried them on big power motors also and have had some good results. never noticed them slipping.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

The max life shoes are off the hook! best ones ive used bar none



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

sixOHfour wrote (View Post):
The max life shoes are off the hook! best ones ive used bar none


ive been thinking about getting some of those. and had a couple questions can I use the stock CB with those? also what kind of performance gains over the stock composite ones? thanks


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

I have used aluminum shoes in the past and didn't like them. Too much maintenance (have to trim flash off them quite often) and they didn't last long. Went back to using HPI composite and was happy with them. They eventually wore out, so I've just installed a set of Dyn Max-Life shoes to give aluminum ones another chance. Too early to tell yet, so my post is a little useless, other than to say composite are fine....aluminum....maybe.

On performance, the aluminum do seem to grab harder, but I had to watch for it to notice. If I was just out bashing and not paying attention to how the clutch grabbed, I doubt I'd notice the difference.

On aluminum, it's a good idea to install thin washers over the shoe posts, between the shoes and the flywheel. Unfortunatley, this makes the springs look like they won't stay in the groove of the center hex nut. So I shimmed the nut out further. This meant I had to remove a shim between the CB and the hex-nut to keep the front face of the CB from rubbing on the spur gear, and then change the shimming between the end of the CB and the end of the crank, but not everyone would have that problem. It had to do with the holes drilled in my engine side lugs being located a bit different than other engines.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

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I have used aluminum shoes in the past and didn't like them. Too much maintenance (have to trim flash off them quite often) and they didn't last long. Went back to using HPI composite and was happy with them. They eventually wore out, so I've just installed a set of Dyn Max-Life shoes to give aluminum ones another chance. Too early to tell yet, so my post is a little useless, other than to say composite are fine....aluminum....maybe.

On performance, the aluminum do seem to grab harder, but I had to watch for it to notice. If I was just out bashing and not paying attention to how the clutch grabbed, I doubt I'd notice the difference.

On aluminum, it's a good idea to install thin washers over the shoe posts, between the shoes and the flywheel. Unfortunatley, this makes the springs look like they won't stay in the groove of the center hex nut. So I shimmed the nut out further. This meant I had to remove a shim between the CB and the hex-nut to keep the front face of the CB from rubbing on the spur gear, and then change the shimming between the end of the CB and the end of the crank, but not everyone would have that problem. It had to do with the holes drilled in my engine side lugs being located a bit different than other engines.


ahh..I gotcha eggbert thanks again for the great advise bud. I may give em a try if I see the composites slipping with the new mill.


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I hear those shoes give you truck quite a kick out of the gate Laughing



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

yeah these dutch shoes are the greatest.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

wood shoes for the savge,,,,not sure the Savage would be comforatible running in those lol,,, I smell fire!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

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On performance, the aluminum do seem to grab harder, but I had to watch for it to notice. If I was just out bashing and not paying attention to how the clutch grabbed, I doubt I'd notice the difference.

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So if there's not a huge noticeable difference then I'm better off getting the HPI composite ones instead.  It just seems like too much work to have to keep trimming the flash off aluminum shoes.
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On performance, the aluminum do seem to grab harder, but I had to watch for it to notice. If I was just out bashing and not paying attention to how the clutch grabbed, I doubt I'd notice the difference.

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So if there's not a huge noticeable difference then I'm better off getting the HPI composite ones instead. ?It just seems like too much work to have to keep trimming the flash off aluminum shoes.


it just one of the things you would have to try yourself and see if your happy with it. I got some on the way. alot of guys really like the max life shoes so I dont think I will be dissapointed. I retuned my slipper clutch assembly. for harder grabbing shoes so I dont break anything.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

-SavageSam- wrote (View Post):
The best shoe on the market for as savage IMO i just run 1 x 1.0 spring and 2 x 1.1 springs in my race set up using mugen springs


That's to help reduce any lag and better acceleration power-band?

I see it as one shoe engaging early, less engine load and then the 2 shoes come in to help and there coming in at a higher RPM. It's like the best of both worlds right? High/low rpm engagement mix and matched?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

Squid wrote (View Post):
That's what I run, I differ from Sam as I run 3 mugen 1.0 springs.

Tried that a few months ago.

The shoes are still good and running, and I will definitely stick to them from now on.

But the Mugen 1.0 springs... what a shame. Two of the three broke on me, the third was already weak, and I ended replacing them by the old used HPI springs, with no issues at all.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

amen to that, I will defininitly be using these from now on,, with the stock hpi black springs these things hook like a tow truck.

I got close to a gallon of use on them thinking about pulling the CB see what it looks like, trim the edges, clean the inside of the CB.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Which clutch shoes to get Reply with quote

my LHS recommended the dynamite shoes....they look great and work well....i thnk it's a matter of selection of springs tension....depending on your application...


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